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  On video gaming:

I watch the video games that my son plays and they are all about creatures chasing other creatures and destroying them ( not alot of strategy or complex thinking that I can see as someone suggested).

Have you played the games? Have you talked with him about the games? Yesterday Simon and Linnaea and I were playing X-Men 2 on our gamecube and they think alot about what they are doing. It looks very blunt instrumenty, but as their characters go up levels they have to distribute skill points based on what they want those characters to be strong in. So if you want Magneto to be more mentally powerful spending more points on focus is a good plan, but you don't really worry about making Colossus smart. After Simon has been intensely focusing on a game, he will run it out. Literally, he runs back and forth shooting and talking as he goes working through whatever has just happened and incorporating aspects of the game into a story. Sometimes he tells me the stories he's creating, and they are amazing. He weaves the most amazing details using whatever game he's been playing, or television show he's been watching as a backdrop. Don't dismiss what you don't know. Play the game, there is way more strategy and complex thinking going on than just viewing them may suggest. Certainly there is enough going on to keep your son's neurons firing for long after he's walked away from the game. And by suggesting that there is nothing going on in the game, you are slighting your son and his ability to find interesting things to do.

I take him places to get away from the video games.

Your sole purpose in taking him places is getting him away from video games? Really? Do you honestly mean that? Maybe you need to think about how you are approaching these games. It sounds like they are having a more negative influence on your life than on your son's life. If it is breaking your heart, why? Why can your heart be broken by your son's enjoyment of video games? I can understand feeling left out because of video games. Simon has definitely achieved a level of skill that I cannot keep up with, or, at least, that I haven't kept up with. He and Linnaea can spot things in a video game that I would miss. Their ability to pay attention to what seem minor things to me, but what turn out to be pivotal plot points in game or in cut scene, makes them much better gamers than I am. But really, being heartbroken because your son has an interest that you don't share seems a bit, well, melodramatic. Do you have interests he doesn't share? Do you do things that aren't about him?

You've just started saying yes to video games when before you were saying no, right? The last e-mail you sent was about 10 days ago. Give it time. Find something else to do while he works through the games, actually, sit and play with him. If you have a game system, get a second controller and a game that you can play with him and join in. But let him trust that you aren't going to start saying no again. It wil take a while for the novelty to wear off. Just like with anything else novel.

It seems that you see this as a passive enterprise. I've watched ants for hours. Heck E.O. Wilson has watched ants for years. If you were to stumble upon him in the jungles of Brazil it wouldn't seem like he was doing anything, except swatting flies, probably. It looks so incredibly passive from the outside. But a lot is going on that you can't see, that you can't judge. And video games are a lot more actively engaging than watching ants or birds or a badger sett. At least from the outside looking in.
—Schuyler



I used to restrict the time my kids spent on games—computer and Playstat—but haven't done so for years now. My oldest son - the one most retricted in that sort of play and many others—no guns, no this no that....—grew up the most inclined to violence and such—not to say he's vioent, but much more interested in boxing, guns etc. than the kids that follwed.

Right now I'm sitting in our sitting room with 9 homeschooled / some unschooled boys aged 13 - 23, ten computers (I'm allowed one!). One son was here last night but is working tonight. They are having a LAN party. Three are ethical, vegetarian, atheists. 5 are serious christians. That leaves the youngest who is atheist but not vegetarian. These are among the nicest, most ethical young people I know. I'm 55 and apart from my sons, who I love to bits and who I regard as friends, there is another who I count among my closest friends. And all of them are just really cool people. One 15 year old danced with me at a public dance for 2 1/2 hours the other night with no embarrassment—he needed a danced partner (ceroc) and I was there, so he danced with me.

They have been playing kill em shoot em games since 10pm Friday night (New Zealand time—were into Saturday night here already) and will be here till Sunday afternoon.

Forget the broken heart. Your son is who he is, rejoyce is his being. If you don't make him feel bad about himself by disapproving of something he loves, he'll be cool. Love him for who he is now, not who you imagined he would be.

These kids here—they're cool. I just love these kids. Couldn't ask for better. 

—Cally


I have had to change a lot of preconceived notions I had about video games. My 5 year old loves them and right now is playing a lot because he recently got some new games. Today I heard him read several things on the screen. He has picked up numbers, ordinal numbers, counting etc. from some of the games he plays so he can play them better.

He has a 7 year old friend that he plays with alot. They use a lot of imagination, laughing, interacting. They write each other cards and thank you notes and draw each other pictures when they are not around. They play Pokemon on the computer then play with the cards then back on the computer.

My son has a feeling of accomplishment and feeling he is good at something, but when he loses at games, he is much better about dealing with it now. He is also learning to make descisions about what he would rather do and to set priorities. He has A LOT of interests, but right now video games are very important to him.

Today a 3 year old friend was coming over for an hour or so and whose mother does not really want her exposed to the games. I explained to DS that it might be rude to play them while she was over and asked if he could wait till she left and play with her. He agreed but said, "you know Mom that is how I live." He also told me he would rather stay home tomorrow cause right now "he is into hanging out at home and playing." And that is O.K.

—Laura





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